This is the major autobiographical statement from Nobel laureate André Gide. In the events and musings recorded here we find the seeds of those themes that obsessed him throughout his career and imbued his classic novels
The Immoralist
and
The Counterfeiters
.
Gide led a life of uncompromising self-scrutiny, and his literary works resembled moments of that life. With
If It
This is the major autobiographical statement from Nobel laureate André Gide. In the events and musings recorded here we find the seeds of those themes that obsessed him throughout his career and imbued his classic novels
The Immoralist
and
The Counterfeiters
.
Gide led a life of uncompromising self-scrutiny, and his literary works resembled moments of that life. With
If It Die
, Gide determined to relay without sentiment or embellishment the circumstances of his childhood and the birth of his philosophic wanderings, and in doing so to bring it all to light. Gide’s unapologetic account of his awakening homosexual desire and his portrait of Oscar Wilde and Lord Alfred Douglas as they indulged in debauchery in North Africa are thrilling in their frankness and alone make
If It Die
an essential companion to the work of a twentieth-century literary master.
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Gideiana & the Money Shot : 1947 Nobel winner Gide, after recalling childhood, schooldays and aesthetic growth among friends Pierre Louys and Mallarme, delivers. "My joy was unbounded...I cannot imagine it greater, even if love had been added." Never confuse, as do many, desire with love. That little Arab boy left him in a state of "passionate jubilation."
Published in 1920, two decades after "The Immoralist," Gide offers his back-story. Gide, a founder in 1909 of the influential Le Nouvel Re
Gideiana & the Money Shot : 1947 Nobel winner Gide, after recalling childhood, schooldays and aesthetic growth among friends Pierre Louys and Mallarme, delivers. "My joy was unbounded...I cannot imagine it greater, even if love had been added." Never confuse, as do many, desire with love. That little Arab boy left him in a state of "passionate jubilation."
Published in 1920, two decades after "The Immoralist," Gide offers his back-story. Gide, a founder in 1909 of the influential Le Nouvel Revue Francaise, was disarmingly frank in a world where hypocrisy reigned. Though some of the writing and memories here are clotted, you appreciate his candor and erudition. You also appreciate his personal and literary audacity.
Coming from a strong Protestant background, he says God himself would surely loathe a uniformity of nature and any teaching that tried to subdue it. He required his "mind's assent" to the wishes of his body. As for memoirs, which this is: "Everything is always more complicated than one makes out."
I find the whole genre of biography and autobiography fairly boring, but this was kinda fun. The first half was pretty dry, but really established Gide's character as a child (dreamer). The second half was a lot more interesting. I knew from checking wikipedia (after infering it from my read of the Immoralist) that Gide was into boys, but it's quite another thing to read about him picking them up with Oscar Wilde.
Confieso que desde que un alumno de Erasmus robó este libro de la biblioteca de la universidad de Alicante, tenía ganas de estrujarlo entre mis manos. Y aunque no me ha decepcionado, la espera no es que haya valido demasiado la pena. André Gide es un narrador mesurado y a quien no le preocupa caer simpático, cosa que se agradece, pero tiene, a mi parecer, la distorsionada idea de que a sus lectores les interesa tanto su infancia como a él. Pues no, hijo mío. Hay anécdotas casi divertidas, otras
Confieso que desde que un alumno de Erasmus robó este libro de la biblioteca de la universidad de Alicante, tenía ganas de estrujarlo entre mis manos. Y aunque no me ha decepcionado, la espera no es que haya valido demasiado la pena. André Gide es un narrador mesurado y a quien no le preocupa caer simpático, cosa que se agradece, pero tiene, a mi parecer, la distorsionada idea de que a sus lectores les interesa tanto su infancia como a él. Pues no, hijo mío. Hay anécdotas casi divertidas, otras entrañables, pero lo que buscamos aquí es mandanga de la buena, y ésta no llega a ocupar ni una cuarta parte del libro. Se despacha en un santiamén las amistades de su primera juventud y menciona de pasada a gente tan interesante como Mallarmé o Gauguin. Mal, muy mal. Al menos nos queda el consuelo de ver a Oscar Wilde ejerciendo de alcahueta en Argelia o de leer las estremecedoras declaraciones de Bosie Douglas acerca de la belleza del hijo mayor del mismo Wilde, a quien pensaba beneficiarse. Las descripciones y reflexiones sobre el norte de África también se degustan con placer.
Un libro éste que sólo llega a disfrutarse verdaderamente hacia el final. Estupendo el pasaje sobre la muerte de la madre y la posterior liberación espiritual de Gide. "Sufría de ver sufrir a mi madre, no de separarme de ella"; así, sin concesiones. Lástima que la conclusión de estas memorias sea tan abrupta. Nos quedamos con las ganas de saber más acerca de ese trágico matrimonio blanco que contrajo con su prima Madeleine.
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The events described wouldn't be nearly as interesting if written by a mediocre writer, but gide isn't that. He goes about his story, descibing his life by impression and memories, in no particular order other than how important they were to him at the time. It reads beautifully. It's worth reading steadily through, if you want the full impression. Otherwise, it's easy to lose track of what he's been expanding on.
“No busco la complicación; está en mi. Me traiciona todo gesto en el que no reconozco todas mis contradicciones.” Si la semilla no muere es un texto autobiográfico en donde Gide hace una reflexión exhaustiva sobre su infancia, adolescencia y adultez temprana, con un mirada a veces indulgente, a veces severa, el texto se convierte en una ventana a través de la cual es posible echar un vistazo a una vida marcada por una educación puritana sumamente conservadora en el París de finales del siglo XIX
“No busco la complicación; está en mi. Me traiciona todo gesto en el que no reconozco todas mis contradicciones.” Si la semilla no muere es un texto autobiográfico en donde Gide hace una reflexión exhaustiva sobre su infancia, adolescencia y adultez temprana, con un mirada a veces indulgente, a veces severa, el texto se convierte en una ventana a través de la cual es posible echar un vistazo a una vida marcada por una educación puritana sumamente conservadora en el París de finales del siglo XIX. Gide tiene una forma de escribir muy elegante, su prosa es sutil y a veces la lectura me da la impresión de estar caminando de puntillas, tratando de pasar desapercibido, algunos temas (como el de la homosexualidad) son abordados de manera indirecta, bordeándolos con las circunstancias que los hacen posibles. La pugna que se va desatando en la vida de Gide, entre la reivindicación de su deseo y el peso de su formación puritana y moralista, tiene como resultado momentos de desdicha pero también de felicidad sublime. Aunque en ciertos momentos la lectura se puede volver un poco tediosa por la cantidad de referencias auto-biográficas, en general el libro es muy disfrutable, especialmente la segunda parte en donde el escenario africano y la amistad con Oscar Wilde marcan de manera definitiva el carácter de Gide, y serían la inspiración para muchas de sus obras más conocidas.
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I have a fondness for autobiographies. Gide's autobiography is like very slow motion in the first parts that he recalls his "civilized" family environment. While describing his music tutors, the school system, mother-son-god tension... the book seemed "OK! ...but not a great one".
Later on, after the trip to Africa (still not sure if it was Africa but it was like "OK the author is from the occident, and the rest is from the rest"), as Gide (the character) starts to face with his experiences and
I have a fondness for autobiographies. Gide's autobiography is like very slow motion in the first parts that he recalls his "civilized" family environment. While describing his music tutors, the school system, mother-son-god tension... the book seemed "OK! ...but not a great one".
Later on, after the trip to Africa (still not sure if it was Africa but it was like "OK the author is from the occident, and the rest is from the rest"), as Gide (the character) starts to face with his experiences and emotions and actions, things starts to get more exciting to read and more easy to relate with (for me). The book created a desire in me to read L'immoraliste and The Counterfeiters, and use the opportunity to penetrate into Gide's mind a little bit more and let his mind to penetrate in mine.
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Andre Gide is an author’s author. Winner of the 1947 Nobel Prize in Literature, and a favourite of notable scribes like Yukio Mishima and Donald Richie, Gide is one of the fathers of the modern confessional autobiography, but outside of the academy and academia, this doesn't make him an interesting read.
If It Die
is concerned to the point of myopia with the triviality of life. Fleeting thoughts, grasped at impressions, the flotsam and jetsam of waking consciousness,
If It Die
is akin to reading
Andre Gide is an author’s author. Winner of the 1947 Nobel Prize in Literature, and a favourite of notable scribes like Yukio Mishima and Donald Richie, Gide is one of the fathers of the modern confessional autobiography, but outside of the academy and academia, this doesn't make him an interesting read.
If It Die
is concerned to the point of myopia with the triviality of life. Fleeting thoughts, grasped at impressions, the flotsam and jetsam of waking consciousness,
If It Die
is akin to reading several hundred pages of a diary written after the fact; a post-dated stream of consciousness journal rather than a conscious literary work.
Of interest certainly in a few places -- Gide’s meetings with Oscar Wilde of particular note -- it is hard nonetheless to recommend this to anyone without a purely academic or literary interest.
If It Die
is an account of the years before Gide became an accomplished author, an in all honesty, in these pages nothing much is accomplished.
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Rating this book with some number of stars is nonsensical- it is not a matter of stars.
Many of the events and ideas expressed here are essentially the same as those in
The Immoralist
. But as a memoir, it contains more historically-interesting details. There is a modern trend of writing histories of ordinary people, as opposed to the histories of kings and presidents. I think that's a great idea, and now realize that some of the same information (and also a source for such histories) is to be fo
Rating this book with some number of stars is nonsensical- it is not a matter of stars.
Many of the events and ideas expressed here are essentially the same as those in
The Immoralist
. But as a memoir, it contains more historically-interesting details. There is a modern trend of writing histories of ordinary people, as opposed to the histories of kings and presidents. I think that's a great idea, and now realize that some of the same information (and also a source for such histories) is to be found in memoirs of the period (at least for stories of the literate). One example of history-in-the-making is when young Mr. Gide first recites poetry in grammar school and, having previously read poetry only to himself, is emotive in his speech. He is quickly ridiculed by his classmates for not adhering to the monotone delivery that was obviously the proper way to recite poetry. In contradistinction, I remember reading a passage from
Gulliver's Travels
aloud in my college humanities class and being chastised by the professor for failing to emote. My point is that times change, and until you reach a certain age, you may have to turn to old books to find confirmatory evidence of that fact.
This autobiography was notable when it was published (1926) because Gide describes plainly his realization of his homosexuality. More recently, it was controversial because he frequently made trips to N. Africa, in which he and others had sex with young men, (ie. old boys), who may have been considered prostitutes. Reading this in the actual book was quite an interesting experience. First of all, Gide titilates the reader when he cuts short some tangents early in the book by saying (paraphrasing) "I won't continue this tangent, which would keep you from the real excitement later in the story". I fault him for that. Ironically, the "excitement" was edited (replaced in two instances by "[omission:]") from the major printing of this book (also edited in the major French edition, I believe), which is also the only version available at the D.C. public library. Fortunately, I was later able to obtain number 133 of the original 1500-copy printing without much expense. It turns out that the first censored passage, Gide's awakening, was adequately described without the "explicit" paragraph. The second omission is more scandalous, in that the censored text is profound and so the actual
scandal
is that it was censored! This occurs toward the end of the book, after Gide had become friends with Oscar Wilde and Lord Arthur Douglas. He returns to Algiers and watches his acquaintance, Daniel B., carelessly and forcefully have sex with Mohammed, (the, now older, boy who first awakened Gide's sexuality). To this, Gide "could have screamed with horror", and goes on to say:
It is always very difficult to understand the loves of others and their way of practicing love. And even those of animals (that
and even
should be kept for those of men). One can envy birds their song, their flight; say with the poet:
"Ach! wusstest du wie's Fischlein ist
So wohlig auf dem Grund!" [Goethe:]"
"Ah, if you only knew how the little fish is
so content on the ocean ground!"
... No doubt this is the reason why failures of understanding on this point are so great, and prejudices so ferocious. For myself, who only take my pleasure face to face, and who am often, like Walt Whitman, satisfied with the most furtive contact, I was horrified both by Daniel's behaviour and by Mohammed's complacent submission to it.
Another important revelation was that Gide's love for, and desire to marry, his female cousin was unabated by the discovery of his homosexuality. He writes that his puritanical upbringing lead him to separate his love from his lust and that, even if he desired another woman (instead of a man), it would not have deterred his quest to marry his cousin. In fact, the book ends with his engagement to this cousin. We know that the marriage was a tragedy.
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this is at the bottom of the pile of what Gide published. If it Die… has subjects and instances already covered in his major works, like Wilde, Immortalist and the journals. it took two attempts but i finished it. read the autobiography if you ran out of Gide material. but Gide does have good books concerning autobiographical instances. his Congo travels and book concerning his wife, i cannot recall the title, are worth reading. not this book though.
در واقع کتاب اتوبیوگرافی ست اما نه یک اتوبیوگرافی کامل. ژید مقطعی از زندگی خودش رو به صورت وقایعی که بعضا ترتیب وقوع اونها رعایت نشده نشون داده که این برای من کسل کننده بود انقدر که فکر میکردم اگه در مورد زندگی آنا خدمتکارشون مطلبی میخوندم برام جذاب تر بود.
If It Die is well worth a read. If you happen across it, do not hesitate to pick it up. The prose is flowing and elegant and Gide plays lightly with language.
Possibly the most boring and self indulgent thing I've ever read. And I read the whole damn thing as well. The bits about botany are cool, and some of the stuff in Africa, but apart from that...bleuch.
André Paul Guillaume Gide was a French author and winner of the Nobel Prize in literature in 1947. Gide's career ranged from its beginnings in the symbolist movement, to the advent of anticolonialism between the two World Wars.
Known for his fiction as well as his autobiographical works, Gide exposes to public view the conflict and eventual reconciliation between the two sides of his personality, s
André Paul Guillaume Gide was a French author and winner of the Nobel Prize in literature in 1947. Gide's career ranged from its beginnings in the symbolist movement, to the advent of anticolonialism between the two World Wars.
Known for his fiction as well as his autobiographical works, Gide exposes to public view the conflict and eventual reconciliation between the two sides of his personality, split apart by a straight-laced education and a narrow social moralism. Gide's work can be seen as an investigation of freedom and empowerment in the face of moralistic and puritan constraints, and gravitates around his continuous effort to achieve intellectual honesty. His self-exploratory texts reflect his search of how to be fully oneself, even to the point of owning one's sexual nature, without at the same time betraying one's values. His political activity is informed by the same ethos, as suggested by his repudiation of communism after his 1936 voyage to the USSR.
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“I am lost if I attempt to take count of chronology. When I think over the past, I am like a person whose eyes cannot properly measure distances and is liable to think things extremely remote which on examination prove to be quite near.”
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“Je suis un être de dialogue ; tout en moi combat et se contredit. Les Mémoires ne sont jamais qu'à demi sincères, si grand que soit le souci de vérité : tout est toujours plus compliqué qu'on ne le dit. Peut-être même approche-t-on de plus près la vérité dans le roman.”
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